Hey Rex,
I figured I'd go ahead an open a can of worms with a good ol' industry favorite topic. Israel.
I was raised to believe, and still do, that the physical, national, Israel of today (post 1947) has nothing to do with the Israel of God's covenanents in the OT and NT.
I don't know chapter/verse but this belief is based off of several passages in Romans 9-11. Whole book of Hebrews. Several statements that Christ made himself, and historical evidence.
My Father-in-law believes that if, hypothetically, the US was to go to war with Israel, and no other nation played a role of any kind, that Israel would win because God would... well, ya know, "Smite" us.
However, when you look at all of the times that God allowed israel to be overrun and such, I don't even understand from any perspective why someone would actually believe that.
Follow-up: Should we allow a few Christian's hermanuetics to influance our Countries foreign policy concerning Israel?
Thanks!
"And I will bless them that bless thee, and I will curse them that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed." Genesis 12:3
I'm sure you already know this one, but it bears repeating because the history books have not been kind to many of those on the wrong side of this scripture.
You bring up some interesting points, and I too would be interested to hear Rex's, and others perspective. Need to dust off my Bible for myself and study up. Not in it like I used to be.
If you consider the prophecy (please google reference, i'll insert if you can't find it) that Israel and the Jewish people would be spread to the "four corners of the Earth," and then "gather them from the four corners again," in geographic Israel, it's clear that there is only one nation in the history of Earth that has fulfilled such a condition.
Name a nation that has ceased to exist, the people completely excised that has been reconstituted and the people come back to that area.
Consider the war of 1948 where Israel's Arab neighbors attacked the day it was incepted and lost: outnumbering and out equipping the Jews many times to one.
Consider the war of 1967, where Israel's Muslim antagonists had superior arms and USSR backing, while the U.S. was uncertain of its support for the Jewish state.
The Yom Kippur conflict of 1973 saw similar condition: logically, Israel had no path to victory, There is a prophecy in Genesis 48, I believe, I could be wrong (from memory) that tells of Judah, the tribe of Judah's promises in the end time: Judah is referenced as the tribe of Jewish leadership (King David, and Christ are from the tribe of Judah) would be surrounded at assailed by jackals but is promised victory over every attack [paraphrasing]. Google "promise to Judah Bible" for the complete reference.
Finally, we can observe that Jews are among the smallest minorities in the history of the world, with 90%+ of the European Jews being eradicated during WWII in both the USSR and Germany, and how Jews are fully 1/3 of all Nobel Science Laureates: not BS peace prize winners but hard empirical science winners.
>>tkneeds Feb 01, 2017
>>Follow-up: Should we allow a few Christian's hermanuetics to influance our Countries foreign policy >>concerning Israel?
Here are more worms for the can, and we should not give a dime of any further "Aid" to Israel or Saudi Arabia. They are both hostile to the united states of America and both hostile to Christians.
We are told there is an arab and israel conflict, a jew and muslim conflict. so which side is washington on? Washington and the American people/Tax payer wage slaves arm both nations. America arms both religions. If Israel is "the chosen people, then no one needs to give em a dime or defend them. God would have it totally under control. Since there are probably offspring of the Abraham tribe there as well as Talmudic Pharasees, i would not want to be attacking the zionist state. The Black temple of saturn in mecca, well I would wipe it off the sand the next time its followers terrorized my nation, which ever nation i was. But that might be a Christian bias/ prejudice :)
Defining who are what "Israel" is is the crux of this issue. It is entirely logical to consider that "Israel" is a People not a nation state. The people are well enough defined in the book. The nation was destroyed. The current "Nation" flies a Hexagram on its flag also known as the seal of Solomon. It is not a "star of David".
Nazi Germany - who established that regime? Was it of "God" of the Devil" Which "God"?
"I am that I am" or Kosmokrator? King of heaven or the "God of this world?"
As to not Bias this screed I will leave it to the reader to google "Hexagram" "Seal of Solomon". Entry level occult things. What were the major corruptions and sins of Solomon?
Next, the British control of "Palestine" was ceded through a united Nations Act/decree. This, after the "Balfour Declaration"
November 2nd, 1917
"Dear Lord Rothschild,....."
I have much pleasure in conveying to you on behalf of His Majesty's Government the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations, which has been submitted to and approved by the Cabinet: ......
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/text-of-the-balfour-declaration
ulimately the United nations (Lucifers Government Administration over NATO military under Inernational monetary fund, Backed with the Petro dollar USA and the Penta- gon) went on with Resolution 181 in fine occult numerology 13 and 33. Your red flags for signature of the cult -
33 in favor of
13 against.
At the bottom of this document, you can see the funny numbers.
" United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 called for the partition of the British-ruled Palestine Mandate into a Jewish state and an Arab state. It was approved on November 29, 1947 - 33 votes in favor, 13 against, 10 abstentions and one absent. The resolution was accepted by the Jews in Palestine, yet rejected by the Arabs in Palestine and the Arab states. "
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/un-general-assembly-resolution-181-2
One can also go to the UN site and search resolution 181.
https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/7F0AF2BD897689B785256C330061D253
Then there is the Odd case of the Israeli Supreme court Building near Rotschild Road...... Google earth degrades the NRO Keyhole satcom imagery resolution but enough is here-
https://thegoldenreport.net/the-roots-of-evil-in-jerusalem/
Add to the fact that Talmudic jewish theology is as hostile against christianity as is Islam which also has decapitation as a penalty for Christianity) i simply can not accept "israel" the nation we see in todays geopolitical scene, as anything but a satanic created nation, with a synagogue of satan as its religion.
(google Chabad Lubavich and Noahide Law, Kabbalah --- what Trumps daughter and son in law ascribe to)
Now, that said, its also logical to consider that there are Hebrew people of Abraham migrated there and live in the confines of the communist/zionist beast. Israel has a dual culture in its foundation Just like America / Amaruca Land of the Plumed serpent Quetzalcoatl, the masonic republic with is counter revolution called the constitution of 1787,
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2004/08/gary-north/conspiracy-in-philadelphia/
https://www.garynorth.com/philadelphia.pdf
All this "freedom" within the borders of this Luciferian empire with 13 stars and 13 stripes lies a whole sea of Christian peoples. Held captive since formation of the federal reserve central bank in 1913, and its resources nationalized under the communist roosevelt in 1933.
http://www.barefootsworld.net/war_ep.html
And we haven't even considered the Chloros (Pale) colored 4th horse of Islam. :) and its resurrection from Byzantium and its Head wounded caliphate ..... yet.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/chloros.html
Islamic states are gaining the major momentum of the United Nations. NATO and Washington (PetroDollar) are merely military arms of UN and Islam.
At any rate, we all live on a fictitious matrix and an up and in process "Fourth Turning" with only the gospel as a recourse to navigate through it. It looks to me that in the age of empires and when living in an empire that has run its course and turns against its organic people, that a return to tribe and clans are in order.
As of late I have been reading A book "Forging the hero" by a Nom De guerre "John Mosby" (Mountain Guerrilla) it goes into Tribes and clans, Kith and kin.
https://mountainguerrilla.wordpress.com/2016/10/06/book-excerpt-from-forging-the-hero/
Clans and Tribes are the anti-thesis of Empire and all empires have a terminal point, and generally crash and burn for the same reasons over and over. The jewish state and the arab state, islamic states have already reverted to such. We here in what was once America are funding tribes and clans abroad, and quashing us as we form alternates to empire here.
https://www.differentspirit.org/articles/boundaries.php#
1 Chronicles 1:13 and Genesis 10:19 clearly demonstrate that the geographic Israel of today, is in fact the Israel of the Bible and that the territory geographic Israel currently occupies was promised by God regardless of UN declaration.
Note nowhere in scripture does God state HOW He will make his promised land allotment take place. Also note the UN is almost always anti-Israel in its declarations and that a broken clock is correct twice a day: e.g.: the UN's rare and initial positive disposition towards the creation of a Jewish state that is the ONLY Jewish state in the world and 0.5% of all Mideast territory surrounded by Islamic States that occupy 99.5% of the Mideast.
"You shall know them by their fruits", -Matthew 7:15-20, what are the fruits of the Nobel Laureates, Civil Rights allotted to non-Jews in Israel, and technological oasis offered in Israel compared to the honor killings, constant civil wars, muslim on muslim terrorism, poverty, misogyny, and generally regressive activity of the Arab nations of the Middle East?
Cat Wrangler, you are however, correct in your statement that the U.S. does not need to support Israel in order for it to thrive, but it behooves the U.S. to support Israel according to Genesis Chapter 12 ( read the whole thing) "I will bless those who bless you [Abraham's seed: i.e.: Israel]"
Note that Obama, leftists, communists, and fascists both have opposed Jews and Israel, Note that good leaders that support capitalism, liberty, and human affluence support Israel, like Trump, Reagan, Thatcher, etc.
Also note that, the U.S. (nor hardly anyone) supplied munitions or support to Israel in 1948, 1967, or until late in the conflict in 1973, when Israel was attacked by most or ALL of its Muslim neighbors.
Note the blessing that Jews provide to the economics and scientific achievement of a nation (Einstein and 1/3 of Nobel Science Prize winners) vs the terror, discord, and violence that mass Muslim migration causes in Sweden, Norway, Germany, etc.